Nothing CEO takes shots at Apple, ludicrously says that apps are going away

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In a diatribe against modern Apple, Nothing CEO Carl Pei has a vision for the entire smartphone industry that ignores the economic reality of smartphone apps, and claims that a soon-to-come smartphone won't have any at all.

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Nothing's failed Messages chats on the current Nothing Phone(2) -- image credit: Nothing



Nothing is a British smartphone company founded in 2021, which includes "father of the iPod" Tony Fadell. It's phones have yet to make a splash, although its astoundingly insecure attempt to get Apple Messages onto them did back in 2023.

In a new interview with Wired, Nothing CEO Carl Pei admits that the company's phones are not selling brilliantly. "The business is growing rapidly... last year, we grew about 150 percent," he said, "[although] we still only reached about 0.1% share of the global market."

But this doesn't stop Pei predicting how all smartphones will work in the next seven to ten years, and along the way criticizing Apple and the iPhone.

"I believe that in the future, the entire phone will only have one app -- and that will be the OS," he says. "The OS will know its user well and will be optimized for that person."

"Right now, you have to go through a step-by-step process of figuring out for yourself what you want to do, then unlocking your smartphone and going through it step by step," he continues. "In the future, your phone will suggest what you want to do and then do it automatically for you... so it will be agentic and automated and proactive."

Apple's creative failure



"Apple today is very different from the Apple when I was younger," said Pei. "Last year, they told a very big story about Apple Intelligence... now, a year later, it's not much more than some generated emojis."

Pei says that Apple used to get everything right. It "had the best design in the iPod," and "the best interface," that meant it had "the best integration of hardware and software."

Now he says that Apple is so big that it has to target every possible user, whereas Nothing can focus on making better devices for a smaller group. "The smartphone market is becoming very boring," he said. "We believe we are the only ones who can make it 'fun' again."

The one-app future



You do have to ignore that Nothing's phones, whether they are fun and more creative or not, are appealing to an extraordinarily tiny market so far. You also have to ignore Pei's certainty that his one-app vision of the future will be here by 2032 or 2035.

But beyond that, a one-app future would mean the end of the entire app development economy. It would mean the smartphone manufacturer controlling the whole stack from hardware to this single app, which might profit Nothing, but would destroy millions of jobs.

And recent regulation and litigation has made it clear that global governments won't allow a smartphone manufacturer to have that level of control. If Apple can't, then Nothing can't either.

Then the presumption that Apple is effectively out of the game as far as creative design goes, is an enormous reaction to the recently announced delays to Apple Intelligence. Ultimately, Apple will not be affected by that delay.

It won't be bothered creatively. It certainly won't be struck financially by it at all.

Pei's interview comes ahead of the release of the Nothing Phone 3, which the company has teased will launch in July 2025. Confusing, the company has already launched a Nothing Phone(3a), but says this next model will be a flagship one.

Samsung is rumored to be releasing its own flagship phones around the same time, and Apple will launch the iPhone 17 range in September.



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  • Reply 1 of 18
    He is right. Apple is not as innovative as Apple was before. 
    Apple Intelligence = Apple Incompetence. 

    But will Nothing still be around in 7 ~ 10 years? 
    I dunno.
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  • Reply 2 of 18
    He is right. Apple is not as innovative as Apple was before. 
    Apple Intelligence = Apple Incompetence. 

    But will Nothing still be around in 7 ~ 10 years? 
    I dunno.
    It’s not like EVERY OTHER tech company’s first attempts at AI haven’t been dumpsters fires. They held off on what they did, because they didn’t want a put a glue on pizza debacle. That said, I’m fine if they never release it. AI is a smoke show that isn’t going to get much better than it is now and it’s all based on stealing from others
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  • Reply 3 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,292member
    He is right. Apple is not as innovative as Apple was before. 
    Apple Intelligence = Apple Incompetence. 

    But will Nothing still be around in 7 ~ 10 years? 
    I dunno.
    It’s not like EVERY OTHER tech company’s first attempts at AI haven’t been dumpsters fires. They held off on what they did, because they didn’t want a put a glue on pizza debacle. That said, I’m fine if they never release it. AI is a smoke show that isn’t going to get much better than it is now and it’s all based on stealing from others
    You'd have to define 'dumpster fire'. 

    Perplexity Pro has suited my needs very well. AI in language translation, NLP, NLG, image/video creation/manipulation is amazing and constantly improving. 

    LLM's in industry are having a massive impact on almost everything they touch (with the huge exception of customer service Chatbots). 


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  • Reply 4 of 18
    JamesCudejamescude Posts: 106member
    Nothing is a perfectly named company.
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  • Reply 5 of 18
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,456member
    I am enjoying watching Tech companies flounder.     Most of them lost the plot along time ago.  

    In the infancy of the home computing revolution the messaging was far more empowering and it had to 

    be because the Internet wasn't a thing.  


    Today computing users are disempowered at alarming levels.  Companies want to employ this "let me do it for you" 

    ideology.  Nothing is swimming in the same VC infested waters that all of these other companies are.   They're all  

    singing the same tune "you can trust me to be your only source".  The lack of outrage about Snowden's reveal 

    told the people that matter that consumers don't care about privacy and thus sovereignty of their digital lives.  

    People are bored with technology because they've been told that they should just consume content and if they dare be 

    creative why now have AI crank out some derivative images and prose for you.  "Let me do it for you" 

    Just like I don't do everything for my children because I realize it will only hinder their executive function.  The companies 

    are driven by the love of profit,  not my well being or possibility of improving my executive function.   I keep returning to Barry Schwartz's Paradox of Choice.  

    At least Apple has given people the choice to disengage Apple Intelligence.    I'm getting CoPilot and Gemini crammed down 

    my throat whether I want to or not. 
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  • Reply 6 of 18
    stevegeestevegee Posts: 25member
    not much ado about nothing. 
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  • Reply 7 of 18
    Doodpantsdoodpants Posts: 58member
    "In the future, your phone will suggest what you want to do and then do it automatically for you..."

    Wow, sounds like a distopian nightmare. Why do all these companies openly brag about trying to create the Torment Nexus?
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  • Reply 8 of 18
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,520member
    Not a fan of Nothing. 

    They can pretend they have no apps by using an ai that “hides” its app usage, but it’s still using apps. And no one company can create an “Everything” app/os that does everything better than other developers. It’s why apple has dropped ambitions in the past - a realization that the dna of another company allows them to do a better job at some things. 

    If nothing wants to stifle app dev innovation, they’ll just paint themselves into a corner. Their ai is won’t be better than another ai and other apps. 

    It sounds like yet another group trying to sound profound snd just ending up looking dumb. 
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  • Reply 9 of 18
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,520member
    The other issue is that people don’t want to be removed from what they are doing. I want to be my own decision maker. I want to be the responsible party for ever I make, do, write, design, etc. not another party, be it computer or human. 

    Removing the human even more from the equation devalues the human. When ai is a tool thst I fully control and msnipulate, grrat. When it’s trying to msnipulate me snd do everything for me, heck no. 

    It’s a fine line. So far, I think apple and the current version of chat gpt are doing well. Too much more and the line gets broken. 
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  • Reply 10 of 18
    When AI gets closer to answering simple questions correctly 90%+ of the time, it may have general usefulness.  For now, it should be called artificial (that is "FAKE") intelligence.  

    Recently, I ask Google for the fear index (vix) value.  It replied 13.  I looked it up, it was 20 (and was around that value for hours beforehand).  I think it may have pulled some historical value.  

    There are often very strange assumptions made by AI, especially for questions about people or products old enough to lack much coverage on the internet in the last 20 years.  
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  • Reply 11 of 18
    avon b7 said:
    He is right. Apple is not as innovative as Apple was before. 
    Apple Intelligence = Apple Incompetence. 

    But will Nothing still be around in 7 ~ 10 years? 
    I dunno.
    It’s not like EVERY OTHER tech company’s first attempts at AI haven’t been dumpsters fires. They held off on what they did, because they didn’t want a put a glue on pizza debacle. That said, I’m fine if they never release it. AI is a smoke show that isn’t going to get much better than it is now and it’s all based on stealing from others
    You'd have to define 'dumpster fire'. 

    Perplexity Pro has suited my needs very well. AI in language translation, NLP, NLG, image/video creation/manipulation is amazing and constantly improving. 

    LLM's in industry are having a massive impact on almost everything they touch (with the huge exception of customer service Chatbots). 



    Dumpster fire: out of control thievery and runaway hypocrisy by an industry that's overhyped itself into reversing the trends of more productivity per watt, literally increasing the heat content of the earth's atmosphere.
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  • Reply 12 of 18
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,047member
    It’s not all bad for Nothing. 

    “ … Nothing can focus on making better devices for a smaller group …”  

    With 0.1% market share they can chalk up that one as a win! Woo hoo. 

    My perspective about AI is influenced by me considering how an automobile interest site, like “HorselessCarriageInsider” (HCI), would have looked like back in the early 1900s when automobiles were first entering the public space and if they had computers and the internet like we have today. 

    The automobile was still in its formative years and people were still predominately using carriages and buggies with horses. I bet a lot of regular folks saw little reason for giving up their reliable horse and buggy for something as strange as a weird looking machine that didn’t run on hay. I’d imagine a lot of them declared they would never get on one of those contraptions. Never going to get me out of my saddle, dammit. 

    Somehow automobiles got better and the majority of people changed their mode of transportation from a poop spewing horse and buggy to fume spewing automobile. It just takes time for new technology and ways of doing things to catch on and mostly replace the old with the new. I see horses and buggies every single day and try to avoid the poop as best i can when I’m driving my horseless carriage. 



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  • Reply 13 of 18
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,803member
    So does this mean in the future Apple can be like Nintendo or Sony and have a really closed system? Yuck….
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  • Reply 14 of 18
    bestkeptsecretbestkeptsecret Posts: 4,323member
    Got a chuckle from this statement - "Nothing's failed Messages chats on the current Nothing Phone(2) -- image credit: Nothing"
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  • Reply 15 of 18
    ravnorodomravnorodom Posts: 746member

    ‘Nothing’ is such a dumb name for a business. It sounds messed up in a sentence.

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  • Reply 16 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,292member
    avon b7 said:
    He is right. Apple is not as innovative as Apple was before. 
    Apple Intelligence = Apple Incompetence. 

    But will Nothing still be around in 7 ~ 10 years? 
    I dunno.
    It’s not like EVERY OTHER tech company’s first attempts at AI haven’t been dumpsters fires. They held off on what they did, because they didn’t want a put a glue on pizza debacle. That said, I’m fine if they never release it. AI is a smoke show that isn’t going to get much better than it is now and it’s all based on stealing from others
    You'd have to define 'dumpster fire'. 

    Perplexity Pro has suited my needs very well. AI in language translation, NLP, NLG, image/video creation/manipulation is amazing and constantly improving. 

    LLM's in industry are having a massive impact on almost everything they touch (with the huge exception of customer service Chatbots). 



    Dumpster fire: out of control thievery and runaway hypocrisy by an industry that's overhyped itself into reversing the trends of more productivity per watt, literally increasing the heat content of the earth's atmosphere.
    Overhyped, to a degree, for sure but a dumpster fire? No.

    If AI vanished from our lives overnight we would all miss it and might even realise it was lurking in places we never thought it was being used. 

    AI, for all its pitfalls, still has enough pros to outweigh the cons and that's right across the board. 

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  • Reply 17 of 18
    I am enjoying watching Tech companies flounder.     Most of them lost the plot along time ago.  

    In the infancy of the home computing revolution the messaging was far more empowering and it had to 

    be because the Internet wasn't a thing.  


    Today computing users are disempowered at alarming levels.  Companies want to employ this "let me do it for you" 

    ideology.  Nothing is swimming in the same VC infested waters that all of these other companies are.   They're all  

    singing the same tune "you can trust me to be your only source".  The lack of outrage about Snowden's reveal 

    told the people that matter that consumers don't care about privacy and thus sovereignty of their digital lives.  

    People are bored with technology because they've been told that they should just consume content and if they dare be 

    creative why now have AI crank out some derivative images and prose for you.  "Let me do it for you" 

    Just like I don't do everything for my children because I realize it will only hinder their executive function.  The companies 

    are driven by the love of profit,  not my well being or possibility of improving my executive function.   I keep returning to Barry Schwartz's Paradox of Choice.  

    At least Apple has given people the choice to disengage Apple Intelligence.    I'm getting CoPilot and Gemini crammed down 

    my throat whether I want to or not. 
    It reminds me of the dot.com bubble in the late nineties. That bubble burst not long after, and normality ensued.  Perhaps AI will go the same way?

    PS, you don't have to press return at the end of every line. It makes for difficult reading.
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 18 of 18
    iadlibiadlib Posts: 123member
    Makes sense. Apple tried to do this with web apps before Apple got greedy for that 30% app store cut. 

    Think about it: a future OS on a mobile device is really only serving as an end client for accessing AI.

    You tell the phone what you want to do, and the AI will generate the appropriate "app" on demand.

    Think about it, why the hell would you bother coding individual apps vs making AI the omni-app?

    Do I want this future. NO. Not because I'm afraid of AI. Hey Siri play "I'm Afraid of Americans" by David Bowie.

    I think humanity as a whole is entirely too dumb for AI to consider us a threat. When/if it becomes conscious.

    But this is the future of all popular computing. Why? See the above sentence about humanity being dumb.
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